All things to do with the M.A. in Medical Sciences Program at Loyola University Chicago.
Monday, November 16, 2009
Welcome to Loyola's M.A. in Medical Sciences Program. You can use this Blog site to communicate with fellow MAMS students about: moving to Chicago, finding a place to live, finding a roomate, finding places to eat near campus etc.
Edgewater for proximity to campus, a few in Roger's Park, though it's not the most student friendly, or safest. Some live in Wrigleyville. Given what I know now about the Chicago area, best place to live is a few stops down the Red line at Berwyn or Bryn Mawr stops, in Andersonville. Quiet little residential neighborhood, and not that expensive (newly rehabbed 3 beds for $1550). Although it's entirely up to whether or not you want to commute on the train, or even by car if you had one.
Thank you for your interest in the MA in Medical Sciences Program. The average age of our students is early to mid-twenties. Additionally, we don't have admissions interviews and admissions is based on the materials supplied in the application. Also, graduate student housing is available (click here for details: http://www.luc.edu/reslife/llcs/#grad ). Most students, however, decide to get an off-campus apartment. It is common for students to apply to the MAMS program in their glide year or if they've been unsuccessful in previous med school applications. I hope this information helps, but if you have more questions, don't hesitate to call or email us.
Hello! I am very excited to apply to the the MAMS program. It seems like an excellent opportunity. I had a couple questions though - I have a 30 on my MCAT, but have a 3.3 GPA, with a 3.15 overall science. Is this competitive for the MAMS program? Also, I was curious as to when you receive the peak number of applications?
We use a very nuanced approach to evaluating students. We are a very "beyond the numbers" focused program. Certainly your numbers are solid and competitive. These scores are near the program medians over the last five years. Thus I certainly encourage you to apply.
We don't usually have a peak application period, they ramp up quickly after Jan 1st...To help you time when your application is getting "late in the cycle", you should know that by May 15 last year we had completed 80% of our reviews and had made 85% of admission offers. Given our 4+ week review cycle most of the applications that resulted in those admission offers were complete in our office by April 15th. Thus...apply as early as possible to assure a good chance of a seat. Thank you for you interest in our program, I hope we see your complete application soon. Warm regards, Dr. P.
(sorry for the late answer, we just finished up finals week :-) )
If we are reapplying to the MAMS program, do we have to resubmit an application? What exactly is the process and what is the earliest date we can resubmit?
Yes to apply a second time to the program you must do a new application. Some of the information from your old application may be available however...please contact the nice folks at gradapp@luc.edu about reactivating old application materials. However, it is definitely a good idea to submit revised personal statement, fresh letters of recommendation etc. since a year has passed. Normal applications open Jan 1st, but with a reapplication you can contact Graduate Enrollment Management now and they can get your application rolling.
Thank you for your interest in the Loyola MAMS program...Dr. P.
Hi, I understand that the guaranteed interview is with a 3.5 and 30 mcat. I have a 28Q, 3.1 undergrad, 3.8 grad and very good clinical, research and community service activities. My goal is to get in medical school the year following the post bac and I don't plan to take the MCAT again. Should I apply to MAMS as my MCAT is below a 30? What are the statistics (average GPA & MCAT) of students that get accepted into medical schools from MAMS?
Currently MAMS students have about an 86% rate over all years of medical school admission following participation in the program. Given that the median MCAT score for students admitted to medical school now is about a 31, a 28 would put you at a disadvantage, but many students in the program with scores in this range have been successful. We haven’t done a demographic study of admits to medical school because our rate has been so high over time…but again a 28 is a score where a solid grad GPA in MAMS and solid Chicago based clinicals during MAMS would be very important, in addition to a well crafted and clear AMCAS application that frankly discusses strengths and weaknesses. We would definitely encourage you to apply to us however, we certainly admit folks with 28s that have strong credentials and we use holistic review criteria. I would note that admission to the program is highly competitive. For the past two years we have only been able to seat one out of ten of our highly qualified applicants. I don’t say this to be discouraging, but to encourage you to get your application into the process as early as possible if you are considering us and think we might be right for you. Thank you for your interest in MAMS. Warm regards, Dr. P.
I'm planning on graduating undergrad this coming May. I have recently decided that a post-bac in medical science is a great choice for me! I have not yet taken an MCAT but am currently studying for it. I am not planning on applying to medical school anytime soon, but am confused on when I should be taking the exam by in order to be able to apply to the MAMS program for 2010. (If it's not possible to apply in 2010, ...2011? ) Thanks for your help.
I was referred to you by a current MAMS student because I was wondering if the program was strictly for students wanting to only go to medical school. Have you, or would you accept someone wanting to go to dental school? Would you accept a DAT score in that case? Or if the MAMS is not the best program for pre-dents, does Loyola offer any similar post-bac programs? Thanks!
I'm a Canadian student (4th year undergraduate) with a 3.83 cGPA and 3.83 sGPA. My MCAT is however a 25Q, and I plan to rewrite it in June. I was wondering what my chances are in gaining an admission to this program. I realize my MCAT is sub-par.
We use a currently active MCAT score in our admission decision. So if you are applying for Fall 2010, having an MCAT take this spring is usually fine, although we will already be admitting students. A summer take is fairly late (see my response above about our time to fill the class) but students have been admitted with later MCATs. Dr. P.’s patented and secured advice on the MCAT is “take it when you are ready”…if your diagnostics (which you take in full test, timed mode like a real exam) say “I will be happy with that score, even if I shave a point or two off due to test day nerves”…go for the exam. If your diagnostics say…”I will not be happy with that score” my advice is hit the books more, explore new study approaches etc. I am not a proponent of “take the test anyway, just in case you have a good day”…it usually doesn’t turn out well in my experience.
Hi “Anonymous”
We don’t have a way to support students aiming for Dental School at this time, our advising is focused on the Pre-medical requirements and the Medical School admissions process. We have standardized on the MCAT/AMCAS approach. We do have Post-bac programs at Loyola if you do not have a science major, and our Pre-Health Advisor Office works extensively with Pre-Dent students. But unfortunately in MAMS we do not review students whose primary focus is dentistry.
Hi “CanIndia”
Are you a U.S. citizen or permanent resident? I just want to point you back to our program website to make sure we are still a good choice for you. We have had a fairly good number of foreign residents in the program, but they usually are only able to apply to the small number of U.S. medical schools that take non-resident students, or they return home or to the U.K. for medical school. Your 3.83 is solid, a 25 MCAT is problematical for us but you will be reviewed holistically by our committee. It is possible that we would not be a good choice for you, if really your only issue that you need to find a new approach for preparing for the MCAT...
Hi “Anonymous II”
Applicants can submit more letters, as noted on our main site letters that speak to your academic ability and extensive, patient centered clinical experience are very useful to us. Of course research letters and shadowing letters are also nice, but they tend not to be as illuminating of the traits sought by medical schools.
Thank you all for your questions…I am working on a grant application and ye olde blog is not feeling the love lately, I apologize if I am late to respond. For quickest response please don’t hesitate to send questions to MAMS@luc.edu.
I am actually a Canadian citizen (not a US citizen nor am a permanent resident). I know my MCAT score of 25Q is pretty low, but will my GPA make up for it?
After all the application material has been completed and received, approximately how long does it take to review and inform the applicant of a decision?
The 25 is definitely an issue for us, but we are holistic in our reviewing...it is very difficult for me to be more specific than that...until we get a complete application, can assess clinical etc. any opinion on your candidacy would be speculation on my part. As a Canadian citizen you would not qualify for the interview at Stritch School of Medicine, but we have had folks who have gone back to Canada and been competitive for application to medical school at home. SSOM, along with most U.S. medical schools, will not interview or admit foreign nationals.
Hi Anonymous,
You can definitely submit recommendations that have been written for medical school...those are very valuable to us...clinical letters (not research or simple shadowing) are very valuable to us.
Hi Drew,
Application review is a kind of open ended process, it can take anywhere from 2 to 16 weeks depending on application volume, reviewer availability etc. It is usually faster in spring, things really slow down for us as we approach summer due to volume spikes...so get your application in early.
Hi, I am just confused about something. I am just wondering if for some reason I don't get into medical school, is this program like a regular master program? I mean, can I use this degree to go for a Phd?
I'd like to know the same thing. I'm waiting to here back after my interviews but have a bad feeling about not getting in. I have a 3.5, 3.2ish Sci GPA and a 27Q. So I'm looking for a grad program to help fix those things. Really, I had a bad patch for a year and did terribly one semester which killed my GPA. Without that happening I'd be a 3.9 for sure. Anyway, I'm looking to take harder, relevant classes and try to get mostly A's. I think that'll demonstrate that I won't fall apart like I briefly did before. I'd also like to have better quality intern/volunteer experiences - do they help you find those? How are we supported in increasing MCAT scores. I know I can get a 30 but didn't have time to study the stuff that I remembered the least - physics, ochem, genchem. I got a 11V,10B, 6P, so I'm write on except for that physical sciences. Also, is there a lot of interview prep? That is my weakest point, simply b/c that interview determines your life. I clam up or ramble aimlessly. Thanks!
Is there any assitanships I can apply to besides tuition scholarship? I would like to know how I can apply for research assitanships and how to receive waiver in tuition.
Hey folks, don’t forget, the wonderful advisors at MAMS@luc.edu (me included) check our e-mail more often than the blog…so don’t be shy about sending us an e-mail question.
Hi Anonymous,
The M.A. MS is a basic science degree, taught at a very rigorous level. The small number of our students who have chosen to apply for Ph.D. programs have been very successful, but remember today most Ph.D. programs in the life sciences are direct admit and do not require a Masters. So students have certainly gone from MAMS to Ph.D. programs, and the M.A. showed valuable progress in terms of science mastery, and at least in one case that I know of counted toward graduate courses, but an M.A. or M.S. is no longer a pre-requisite for most modern Ph.D. programs.
Hi Casey,
We certainly offer tons of advice regarding volunteering, but we are not a program that offers “canned” volunteering…there are just too many opportunities in Chicago and medical school admission’s deans we have interviewed have told us that they have a fairly low opinion of clinical experiences that students don’t need to show self-motivation to get. So Ms. Fell and I love to advise students on where to go, we write tons of recommendation letters to clinic directors, but at the end of the day securing a good clinical experience is your responsibility. It shows your drive to communicate with clinic coordinators and desire to work with patients. We offer a year long workshop series that focuses on all aspects of the application process. Currently a 3.2 BCPM and 27Q is problematic for us, if you are planning another MCAT take please mention that in your application materials, and see my comments above about “when to take the MCAT”. So far the MAMS historical undergrad BCPM average is a 3.35 and MCAT is a 30.8. We currently can only admit about 1 in 10 of our applicants, I don’t say that to be discouraging but just to highlight that our admissions process is highly selective. We are very holistic in our reviewing, so the person with lower “numbers” who has been a clinical volunteering and “person for others” beast has an excellent chance of admission….clinical letters (the charge or floor nurse that has seen you over a year or two of volunteering) are incredibly important to our process. Given your situation I strongly encourage you to apply early, update us in the process, and don’t be discouraged if you don’t hear from us right away.
Hi Kathy,
We are classified as a pre-professional Masters program and so we do not have assistanceships outside of the scholarship opportunity. After you have been admitted you will get a scholarship application, if you complete your application process prior to May 15th you have priority consideration for scholarships, which are primarily need based. We completely understand how challenging meeting the cost of a private, advanced education can be, and are proud of excellent value we provide our students. I really respect the huge sacrifice families and students make to be able to take advantage of an opportunity like MAMS.
I am really interested in your program, but have unfortunately just came across it today. I know they are rolling applications and I know that the deadline is in July, but if I apply now, am I at a significant disadvantage?
Hi, I was wondering the same things that other students asked. I have a 3.4GPA and a 25Q. However, I have been a certified nursing assistant in a hospital for 4 straight years and am trained in phlebotomy, CPR, first aid, and more on-the-job training that I received. My extracurriculars are numerous and I am involved in clubs and organizations weekly. I also have done research for 2 years in two different fields and even got a publication out of one. What do you think about my chances of acceptance based on the holistic approach that Loyola uses? Thanks!
No! you are right on time, complete your application as soon as possible. We are certainly already admitting students to the class, but are only beginning to fill seats...get your app in asap..:-)
Hi Anonymous #2
Again, it is really hard to handicap applications...and our online application process is free of charge...but obviously with a 25 you will almost certainly need another MCAT retake either before or after MAMS...it is possible that this might not be the best year to apply to SMS like programs...but again we are holistic in our reviews and will weigh all aspects of your application.
Quick question...Is the MAMS program integrated with the Stritch SOM. In other words, do MAMS students take classes with SOM students, and do they compete with SOM students? I have heard that programs that do this integration tend to be more favorable to medical schools come application time.
The MAMS program connection to SSOM is not curricular, although from year to year we are able to do the occasional course there. Students in the program are graded quantitatively and our courses are not "curved" or "set" to the performance of another cohort...which may or may not be performing strongly. So far admissions dean's have been very receptive to our students, none of the dean's interviewed and offered input into the design of the program suggested housing it in a medical school, because almost to a person they felt that SMS students benefitted most from graduate level foundational science courses. I certainly think there are many wonderful SMS courses and programs out there, housed in a variety of situations, and arguments for and against any approach can be made. So far the Loyola MAMS programs has one of the highest post program matriculation rates in the country, thus despite what you have "heard" from "somebody" medical school deans are highly appreciative of the abilities of students that graduate from our program. Currently we can admit less than 1 in 10 of our qualified applicants, and we have to reject students who are easily admitted into other programs, thus I anticipate that our graduates will continue to enjoy outstanding success in matriculating to medical school. Our program is small, highly diverse and attracts singularly outstanding candidates...and then challenges them with extremely quantitative courses in a supportive environment. Our faculty prehealth advisors offer one on one guidance during the personal statement construction process, for instance, and our students have full access to Loyola's outstanding Pre-Health Advisory Committee process. Our program is about the individual transformations needed to not just get in to medical school but to thrive there, and so we set a high bar and then work closely and collaboaratively with students to help them find their scholar's passion. We might be the right place for you if you are coming for a foundational transformation..rather than just to have your score set against the performance of another group.
I had submitted my application about two months ago, and when I didn't hear anything in the 4-6 week range, I called the MAMS office. They said that my application was set to be reviewed a second time. Is this customary? I was wondering what this means in terms of chances?
What are the chances for out of state students? How many apply per year and how many are usually accepted? Do most of the students that attend the MAMS program stay in Chicago to go to SMS or go abroad as well? I am from Texas and am very interested in this program.
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I was wondering how many students you expect to be in the program this year (2010-2011)? I have also heard that you strongly encourage a "lag" year before applying to medical school. Is it possible to apply concurrently (this summer) while doing the MAMS program?
Sorry, between Finals and my work with Loyola’s Pre-Health Advisory Committee the Blog has not been getting the love lately, I apologize for the late update.
Re. time to review.
On average an application can take anywhere from 4 to 16 weeks. Applications routinely are reviewed multiple times. Our review process is comprehensive, involves fit to the program and fit to Stritch School of Medicine etc. Students whose numbers are below the mean of the program (30.8 MCAT, BCPM 3.3) tend to hear later as we are trying to form the most comprehensive opinion as to where they will sit in the program. I am sorry I can’t be definitive on time to review, it is a very organic process.
Re. Out of staters….
Out of state students have an excellent chance of admission. Although originally envisioned as a regional program, our success has grown (and our class sizes have stayed at 50-55 students) as we have drawn students from across the nation and internationally. Our main feeder states are New York, California, Florida, Michigan, Massachusetts, Washington State, Virginia, Ohio, and Illinois. We even have a fair number of Hawaiians…aloha and welcome …but buy a good winter coat.. Out of state students have an outstanding record of admission to our program.
Re. Number of students
We admit up to 55 students and are usually right at that number. Although we have had many requests to expand the size of our program, our system depends on one on one mentoring with our Pre-Health Advisors, and so to maintain the quality of our program we keep it very small. Lag year applications are possible, we support them via mock interviews etc. But we can not provide a committee letter. All letters for “year of the program” applicants are administered and provided by your undergrad institution. We will certainly help in everyway we can however, and students have been fairly successful over time with this approach. We strongly encourage you to wait, and do the “lag year” application, because the success rate, particularly to first choice schools is so high. However we understand students are under various pressures, we want you to make the decision that is best for you.
Hi Folks...oops error in the previous post...Corrected version below...
Although we have had many requests to expand the size of our program, our system depends on one on one mentoring with our Pre-Health Advisors, and so to maintain the quality of our program we keep it very small. YEAR OF THE PROGRAM applications are possible, we support them via mock interviews etc.
I am a 3rd year undergrad student hoping to get into this program after my senior year. I was wondering are participation in clubs and leadership positions taken into account during the application review? My GPA as of right now isn't exactly where I hoped it would be so I'm just curious as to how much that would help.
I am very interested in MAMS, but want to make sure that I match up to your program. I have a B.A. in Psyc with a BCPM GPA of 3.44 and cumGPA of 3.78. In addition I did a Post-bac at UC Riverside with BCPM GPA of 3.8 and cumGPA 3.7. I would be a re-applicant to med school as well.
However, my obstacle is the MCAT which is below of 25, a 22. I feel that I would benefit with an opportunity to build a stronger science background.
I have 4 years of research, 4 years of community clinic setting, 1 year as a Medical scribe in the ER and numerous years of leadership of several organization.
Please provide some insight into my situation, as I am eager to know if can qualify for this program.
I don't understand why I got a rejection letter, after all I think that the admission committee are supposed to review holistically the entire application, not only the MCAT score on the first application page and blindly send out a rejection letter without considering all other factors, right? Sadly I don't think that is the case here. Even though my MCAT score is 24, I think my 3.7 cum GPA and other extracurricular activities as well as research experiences should make up for it. I was a Loyola undergraduate and submitted my application way back in April, too. Still, I didn't think the admission people care to look at my other documents, except for the MCAT score and checking it against the 25 threshold value to send out a rejection letter. So disappointed, I thought this kind of program was intended for people who didn't do really well on the MCAT and really need to seek for a second chance to increase their biomedical sciences backgrounds for more competitive medical school application credentials. Chances are that people who scored high on the MCAT and were accepted into this program may have submitted and been accepted to med schools elsewhere. If they are accepted and not gonna enroll. Then it is unfair for people like us!
We definitely look at extensive clinical volunteering, a clinical volunteering letter of recommendation, and leadership/community service as important aspects of any application. As long as your GPA meets our minimums you will be reviewed. Currently we are one of the most competitive SMS/MAMS like programs in the U.S. for admission, with an applicant pool that has been growing at a swift pace each year. Thus balancing a lower GPA with an MCAT that exceeds our program average (currently right at a 31) and a strong upward trend in highly quantitative science courses would help us understand your current situation. For many students taking a year or two prior to applying for MAMS and taking a few challenging courses (Genetics/Chemistry/Calculus 1 and 2) and getting As in them would be really useful if you are getting B and C level grades in some classes even in Junior/Senior year. We anticipate that an academic transformation “in progress” can be completed with us…but we want to see evidence that transformation is underway before we will admit a student.
Re. Anonymous 2. We would likely help with your science preparation, depending on the courses you have had, although with a 22 MCAT we could not review your application. As a re-applicant to medical school, given the scores you’ve outlined, I do want to encourage you to speak at length with your pre-health advisors at your undergrad/grad schools about the strength of your candidacy. Unfortunately we don’t have the resources to offer pre-health advising to non-Loyola students, but I really encourage you to seek out the advisors that are available to you as you strategize about the path ahead.
Re. Anonymous 3. I am sorry you are disappointed, we have to apply our minimum standards for review to all applicants to ensure our review process is fair. I know it isn’t very comforting, but our review process reviews between 500 and 800 qualified applicants each year, to expand our process to include all possible applicants would simply not be possible. As you plan your future path toward medical school please talk to the wonderful folks in Loyola’s Pre-Health Professions Office, they are an outstanding sounding board about timing and targeting applications to SMS/MAMS programs.
I was wondering, in the review process, I have heard that applicants are separated into Tiers (1, 2, 3 etc). Is it possible to know which tier we are placed in?
The technical details of our process are confidential. Students who are not close to our program means (A 3.35 BCPM and 31 MCAT) can expect to hear as late as August about an admission from us. I am sorry I can't be definitive, our process is organic and holistic (as I have said elsewhere in our blog...it is chock full of useful information) and building the class occurs throughout the summer. Students that already have admissions to programs that are compelling to them should not assume that a late admission is coming from our program. There are many decent programs nationally that adequately serve the SMS/MAMS population, I know we are many student's first choice program, but please be aware that we are very small and our admission process is highly competitive. Thank you for your question.
I don't know if this is a question you can answer here, but... I was wondering if there were still spots available for the 2010-2011 academic year. I recently found out about this program (unfortunately) and only just submitted an application.
Our review process is ongoing, it is by no means too late. I encourage you to (gently, patiently, kindly!!) goose along your recommenders, as often the "rec letters" are where a hitch lies with us getting a complete ap. We especially (i.e. ESPECIALLY) value clinical letters from folks that have worked closely with you...we love to hear from the tech or charge nurse who knows you well. Thank you for your question, as a general note "Folks...apply!" :-)
Hi Dr Pickett, How early can a student apply to the MAMS program if I were to apply for the 2011-2012 year? When in the fall does your program start accepting applications? I am having trouble finding it on the loyola website.
I was accepted to your program and have planned to attend. From the department website, it looks as if you're located on the Lake Shore campus, so I just want to make sure that that is where all classes will be held. This will help me figure out where to live. I'm currently thinking of living on campus since I'm coming from another state, but it appears that the only graduate housing is at the Water Tower campus. Could you provide an estimate of how long it'll take to get from one campus to the other?
Students can apply as early as Jan 1st, but Gradapp@luc.edu will also begin to accumulate letters of recommendation, MCAT scores, AMCAS applications and personal statements prior to that point…but our online app opens on Jan 1st…this is discussed briefly in an FAQ on the program website, but it is a bit buried…we are doing a redesign and will move it
The program location is on the LakeShore campus (LSC is 6500 N. Sheridan), there are tons of nice apartments in Rogers Park (a brand new, security building called The Morgan opened right across the street from us) which would be a lot cheaper, more convenient and most importantly far away from the distractions and temptations of the Loop and Michigan Ave..yes I am a fuddy duddy. However each year we do have one or two students that ends up living downtown. The only graduate housing at this point is downtown on the Water Tower campus. It is a 40 minute subway ride and about a 25-40 minute University Shuttle ride…shuttles are frequently scheduled but students usually need to leave water tower on the shuttle departing an hour before class to be assured getting to class on time. Shuttle delays are not an excuse for being late to an exam etc…so the WTC folks have very early starts to their days. The shuttle also runs from 7a.m. until about midnight, but there is not Saturday or Sunday service which has in the past been a bit of a hindrance in terms of weekend study groups etc. In general we have noted that students who live far off campus tend to benefit less from group study, review sessions etc…so please consider this as you are making plans. Rogers Park is a relatively safe neighborhood, and the LSC campus crime rates are relatively low, by big American city standards.
Hello! I'm interested in applying Fall 2011. I was unaware that BCPM gpa was needed by the MAMS program. Is there a cut off requirement for BCPM gpas? My BCPM is unfortunately below a 3.0, and I'm worried that this will cause my application to not be reviewed. I know there is an overall undergraduate GPA of 3.0. Will Loyola calculate the BCPM, or is there a place in the application for me to fill in? (Looking at the paper application, I failed to find a spot for me to do so). Do we need to included all grades in repeated courses? What about transfer courses that were taken someone other than our degree-granting institution? Thank you!
Re "the BCPM"...The technical aspects of our review process are confidential, but we consider all aspects of an applicant's academic history...just like medical schools do. We perform all statistical analyses in house...applicants do not need to provide any calculations etc. Applying to a special masters program like MAMS is highly similar to applying to medical schools, at MAMS we do a wide variety of analyses as part of our holistic review of candidates, this is one reason our comprehensive reviews take time.
I know the Bursar's office has a few different approaches to student tuition payment, but I am not well versed...so you should talk with them regarding specifics in your situation. I know some of this is discussed at the Bursar's website regarding iPlan
http://www.luc.edu/bursar/iPlan.shtml
Also for general financial aid issues, loan advice etc our awesome financial assistance folks are at
http://www.luc.edu/finaid/
Hope this helps, sorry I am not a bursars office guru, but the info above should get you started.
Are many MAMS students successful in gaining admission to medical school in the fall immediately after completing the MAMS degree ? .....or do most apply for the follow year's cycle? If the following year, what type of experiences do MAMS graduates pursue during that interim year?
Are many MAMS students successful in gaining admission to medical school in the fall immediately after completing the MAMS degree ? .....or do most apply for the follow year's cycle? If the following year, what type of experiences do MAMS graduates pursue during that interim year?
I was wondering whether or not it mattered if my letter of recommendation writers put their letter on a letterhead. I know one of them submitted it to my interfolio account and said he just signed it, but did not have an electronic letterhead, so he couldn't include it. Thank you.
I am interested in applying to the MAMS program because of its reputation and the courses offered. I am a Canadian currently applying to American Osteopathic schools however if I am not admitted next fall I would like to apply to this program to increase my GPA and prove I am capable of handling the rigors of M1.
I was wondering if a 3.1 GPA and a 30 MCAT are considered competitive? I have a fair share of extracurricular and medical experience. This would be assuming that I apply at the beginning of applications in January.
Also, how many Canadians have been accepted into this program historically?
I am very interested in this program, but have not yet taken any math classes in undergrad and I'm going to graduate spring of 2011. What are the specifics regarding math requirements to qualify to apply for this program?
Hi Folks, Dr. P. here, sorry about the blog hiatus.
Hi Canadian Applicant, we are happy to accept overseas and foreign applicants...with the understanding that there are very few U.S. allopathic medical schools that will accept them for admission. Loyola Stritch does not accept foreign students. That being said, our foreign applicants have been extremely successful returning home to medical school and at applying to medical schools in Europe, Australia, Canada and the Middle East. Given your scores you certainly meet our minimal cut offs, but without seeing your whole application I really can't "handicap" your chances of admission.
Hi Mary,
College Math through the completion of Calculus is vastly preferred by us, although one semester of Calc and one of stats is also good. More and more U.S. medical schools are anticipating that students have completed calc...even if their official minimal standards don't say so...but if you have AP credit that works.
Does any statistics course count? I took "Health Care Statistics" in undergrad, but the course title does not fall under the Math major, it falls under Community Health. Can that still count?
I have read on sdn.net and MDapplicants.com that a few students with sub-3.0 GPAs have been accepted into your program in the past yet the website clearly states that a person as such will not be considered for Loyola MAMS admission. I even have a friend that was admitted into your program with a sub-3.0 GPA. You had a previous blog response explaining that the application file gets triaged away from reviewers so they wouldn't be able to consider these applicants yet they made it into the program. Were they admitted because they presented to be a great candidate for your program minus the floundering of their undergraduate GPA and if so, how did you receive application for review?
What is the point of this program if they are so demanding in terms of GPA and MCAT scores? I think if one has a 3.4GPA or higher and 25 or above in their MCAT, they don't need to matriculate into this program. It will be a waist of money and time. You might as well just apply to med school.
Dr. Pickett...looking forward to teaching Adv Dev!!!
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Hi Folks, sorry about the Christmas break from blogging…
Re. Anonymous 1…We calculate our GPAs from all transcripts (grad, undergrad etc.) and use the AAMC GPA calculation guidelines…often students doing self calculations are not sure of these guidelines. All students in the program must meet the GPA and MCAT minimums we have established on the website, a 25 MCAT and a 3.0 GPA. The mean values over the last few years for students admitted and matriculated to the MAMS program included above a 3.2 GPA and a 31 MCAT..given our very strong applicant pool. Thus students presenting applications with scores close to our minimum cut offs are frankly not strongly competitive for admission….however we are holistic in our reviewing and strongly value outstanding and transformative volunteer, clinical and research experiences.
Re Anonymous 2….I appreciate your interesting “what’s the point question” although I am a bit confused by your “3.4 GPA/25 MCAT statement”. A student with this MCAT score is ~4X more likely to be rejected from medical school than accepted (2010-2011 MSAR) and a student with this GPA is ~2X more likely to be rejected than accepted. A student presenting both values would have a very small likelihood of admission to an allopathic, U.S. medical school. “The point” of our program is that we provide an outstanding opportunity for students to gain broad chemistry, ethics and biology knowledge, demonstrate their ability to excel in complex and challenging graduate coursework, and receive outstanding advising and application assistance. When our students report back to us that they are the president of their M1 class, honoring in their courses, the #1 academic rank student in their class, or have scored a 255 on their MLE1 “the point” of our program is revealed. We help students build the outstanding intellectual, study/learning skills and ethics toolboxes that help them to not just enter medical school, but to excel when they get there. We offer the opportunity for personal and intellectual transformation to occur…in the best tradition of Jesuit and Catholic education.
Thank you both for your notes, also as a reminder, please don’t hesitate to contact us at mams@luc.edu, so that we can assist you directly. Please accept my warm wishes for a Happy New Year :-)
I'm very interested in Loyola's MAMS program, but I'm trying to decide if I should apply based on my statistics. I have a 3.12 overall GPA, a 3.04 science GPA and a 31 on my MCAT. I'm not sure if my GPAs are competitive enough for the program, but I'm looking for a way to improve my academic credentials.
Your numeric scores meet our minimums and your MCAT is very solid...plus as I have noted elsewhere on the blog, we are very holistic in our review process. Our online application is free and the process is simple and straightforward, so I strongly encourage you to apply.
Warm regards
Dr. P.
(A quick note...if sharing MCAT scores and GPAs etc I would stongly encourage you to e-mail us at mams@luc.edu...I don't want your personal information to be compromised)
I hope you still respond to this thread. I am curious how much of a disadvantage I'll be put at that I'm taking the MCAT in March and applying immediately after I receive my scores. I have heard rumors, but was hoping for an honest answer about the likelihood that it would affect my chances. Thank you very much.
We will certainly be well into our admissions process, but that doesn't mean that a well qualified student won't find a seat in our class. The one thing I kind of keep as gospel is "take the MCAT when your diagnostics say you are ready"...I don't believe in calendar or deadline driven takes...send an e-mail to MAMS@luc.edu when you complete your exam if your application is in progress...it might get tagged as incomplete if you don't alert us to expect the MCAT.
After you recieve all the completed materials from the Grad admissions, how long does it normally take to make a decision on an application, and in what form(email, phone, postmail) are applicants notified?
Our time to review is very variable and depends in large part on application volume. We have noticed that our application volume is starting to have both an early surge and a late surge. Thus although some students hear earlier, it does take us anywhere from 4 to 16+ weeks after application completion to notify candidates. I have noted that students tend to misunderstand this, and begin counting from the day they submit their initial application. Remember we do not begin our review until all materials are present in our file. The nice folks at Gradapp@luc.edu can let you know your file status.
Not hearing from us means you are under active and serious consideration, we routinely have to deny admission and we do this throughout our process. I know it can be trying to an anxious applicant to perhaps have to wait until mid summer to hear from us, but we continue to hit record numbers of applications each year and so there are inevitable stresses.
As an aside, as you are thinking about why we might be taking longer to understand all nuances of your application, please understand that in recent years our incoming classes have had 3.2 + average science and overall GPAs and MCAT scores between 31 and 32. If your scores are below this range keep updating us on clinical volunteering, "persons for others" work in your community and your academic performance. If you get a note from us seeking more information...please send an update. We are really interested in you but want to know more.
We have a very holistic review style, but this takes time. The wonderful classes we build each year are a result in part from taking the time to carefully pick each person who will contribute their own special path, experiences, personality, passions and skills to the class as a whole. So, please understand I am very empathetic to applicants, and I apologize for long waits, but they are a part of building a strong class of only 55 members. We are not the "fill lots of seats" program, we are the "find wonderful people, with heart and drive" program. I hope this helps, and thanks a lot for your question.
Hello, I was wondering what is the total cost of MAMS program and is there any additional fees for out-of- states students? How much loans do most students take? I am also scheduled to take the MCAT at the end of April and my results will be available in early June. Should I apply to MAMS before June and then send in my current MCAT when it is available?
Hello everyone! Is anyone planning on enrolling in the MAMS program? I'm starting to look for some housing options in the area. I think it would be nice to room with someone else thats in the program. Is anyone interested?
Yikes, Hi Folks, sorry about the lack of blog love...final projects for my undergrads...and final finals for my students sucked my time into the vortex...so...many questions to answer..here goes.
Re. Feb 23 Anon:
The tuition cost of the program for 2011/2012 is $35,520.00 for the full 24 hour program. There are up to three full tuition scholarships which students registered in the program are eligible to be considered for…fill out the scholarship application as fully and completely as possible. Scholarship awards are made to admitted and registered students by the first week of April. Often some of the full tuition scholarships are divided into smaller awards, so some partial scholarships are also awarded. The majority of students in the program do use student loans to finance their costs of attendance. Our financial aid office could give you a better idea of total cost of attendance, the amount of loans students take out varies quite a bit. Costs can be managed with room-mates, eating at home, working over winter break etc types of approaches. So since the “need” varies widely I have a hard time putting a firm number on total loan amounts folks take out.
I would apply at your earliest convenience, but send a note to gradapp@luc.edu that your MCAT score will not be available until June. Your application will “become complete” in June (assuming all your other materials are in) and will be reviewed at that time.
Re. Feb 24 Anon:
Hi, Classes are usually scheduled in “blocks” but they are M,T, W, Th, F and are usually two classes MWF and two classes TTh. We try to either have a morning block between 9 and noon or an afternoon early evening block between 1:30 and 7 p.m….this gives plenty of space in the schedule for clinical volunteering opportunities…which usually ask for an 8 to noon or 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. shift. Each year we will usually have one evening class, again to provide maximum openings for really deep volunteering experiences.
Re. March 10 Anon: Yes, you can definitely use the same personal statement, but we also ask for a statement of purpose on why you want to do our program, how you plan to use your year with us to strengthen your application with clinical volunteering, your history of applications to medical school and whether or not you have any institutional actions, misdemeanor or felony convictions etc.
Re. May 2 Anon: As outlined on our comprehensive website, Stritch School of Medicine extends a guaranteed interview to anyone who has a 3.0 undergrad GPA, 3.5 MAMS GPA and a 30 or better score on their most recent MCAT. We have a great relationship with Stritch, but remember, they are looking for well rounded folks with a “service for others” focus. If you would like to strengthen your application for SSOM strong clinical experience (beyond shadowing), decent grades and MCAT, and a social service (NGO, community kitchen, church/civic charity (Salvation Army, Catholic Charities, Red Cross, Food Pantry etc.) history is very useful. Take a look at their website and admissions requirements. A great future student for them is a great current student for us.
Hope that is helpful, have a terrific spring!!!! and if you are graduating...congratulations!!! :-)
Hey Sam! I am most likely going to be attending the MAMS program this year and I'm interested in finding a roommate. email me at mshah22@gmail.com and we can possibly set something up....looking forward to hearing from you!
hi dr pickett, i was wondering what percentage of the guaranteed interviews actually end up getting in to SSOM. also, is there a list of the md schools that recent MAMS grads have gotten into?
My name is Sarah and I'll be starting the MAMS program at Loyola this fall. I'm looking for 2 roommates, preferably female, to live with me in a nice 3 bedroom apartment near Peterson and Western. It's a little over 2 miles from campus and my Uncle owns the building so he'll be giving us a great deal.
Quick reply, sorry over summer we are in the thick of assisting last years class with secondaries, writing Pre-Health Advisory Committee Letters and filling next years class...thus I apologize for the delay.
You must have an active MCAT score, i.e. no more than three years old, to have a complete application to medical school. We can not accept the GRE as a stand in. Like medical schools we are very, very concerned about any subscore that is an 8 or less...however we are quite holistic in our reviewing and so I encourage all applicants who meet our program minimums to apply.
From many of the questions I have received by e-mail there is a particular concern about the Verbal Reasoning section of the exam. This area of the MCAT tries to assess both your vocabulary and your ability to perform Natural Language Processing...very low scores may mean that you speak English as a second language, have not focused on language development or have a biological problem regarding language processing. Students with special concerns in this area might consult a speech and language pathologist or psychologist to have their language skills professionally evaluated. In this era of higher rates of almost every form of biological debility associated with the brain, if you suspect you have a problem in this area get real help early in the process. Secondarily, medical schools will understand special circumstances, as do we, so let folks know in application materials if you are a new English speaker or have a special challenge you face.
Dear Dr. P,77 I am thinking about applying to the MAMS program for Fall 2012. My Current Stats are undergrad GPA 3.72, science GPA 3.70, and MCAT of 16R. I know my MCAT is very low; therefore I am planning to retake it in Late January. I have three questions form you. If I take the Jan 2012 exam, the scores won't be out until March 1, which seems to be late for the application cycle? Can I submit my application before my new scores are out and then send my scores once they become available. Also If I were to submit my application with the current stats, what are my chances of enrolling in the class for Fall 2012. I also wanted to know more about the tuition scholarships reserved for 3 MAMS students. To be a potential candidate for the scholarship, what is a good time line of the Year to apply in? What criteria is used for scholarship( 1st come 1st serve basis or merit)? Are they reserved for Chicago residents only or for the entire U.S. residents? Thank you, Anonymous Texan
I am very interested in your program and want to apply. I have a 3.55 GPA but unfortuntaly I didn't prepare very much the first time I took my MCAT and only got a 25. I also have significant clinical, volunteer, and research experience. I am retaking the MCAT in mid April and hope to do better. I know my score isn't very competitive now but I also realize that it is important to apply early. Should I apply now with my less competitive score or should I wait until my new scores have come in? Thanks!
I am planning on submitting my applications now but taking the MCAT in late April (getting the results in June) so my application will be complete in the early summer. I understand you said earlier that the full tuition scholarships are only given to admitted students, so what would happen in my case in terms of ways to fund my education (if I am accepted).
Also, since you said that the application will only be reviewed once it is completed, is there a point to submitting most of it now and notifying the school that I'm going to take the MCAT in a few months (and sending in my score later)?
Quick Question about the application.If we have never applied to medical school before do we have to submit an exanded resume online and mail a general resume to the Grad office?
Hey guys! My name is Teresa and I have been accepted to the MAMS program starting this fall, so I am looking to jump start in finding a roommate and getting started on apartment hunting! If you are interested email me at traya@alumni.nd.edu. Thanks :)
Hello, i curious, what is the benefit of having a MMS degree? Is it for people who want go into Medicine? Why not go directly to medical school? What are the benefits of having this degree outside medicine?
We just created a MAMS Program Facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/MAmedicalsciences, so please "Like" it and spread the word! It should also come up if you search "Loyola MAMS". We'll use this page to post important deadlines, reminders, and any information that might be useful for students. Thanks for setting up the 2012-13 group!
Is there a 2012-2013 blog that I don't know about?
Contact me if you're looking for a male roommate! I'm looking to sign the lease between June 25th and 27th when I visit. My background and contact is on www.wix.com/stephenmurata/washu
I had some questions about the program there doesn't seem to be much info online other than the program website.
1. Why is this a Masters of Arts instead of MS and how do med schools interpret this/is this a disadvantage when applying?
2. Can any students in the program expand on benefits of the program in terms of matriculation into medical school?
3. Are there a high number of students who get into medical schools other than Loyola? I know there is a big list of accepting medical schools but those probably only had 1 student going
I am a big believer in free speech on blogs and don't usually respond to "trolly" speech. However, your assumption that the outcomes page on the website indicates single admits is incorrect. What is the truth? The schools listed vary in terms of the number of MAMS students that they have taken. Many schools have a preference for the residents of the state they are located in, and schools have very different requirements. To help clarify, each year we have multiple admits to most Illinois schools except SIU (our students tend to be urban) Northwestern and the University of Chicago. We have excellent success with both private and public allopathic schools, and unlike most programs we publish our success rate. Each year some of our students do opt for osteopathic shool, and either 0 or 1 will go off shore. Given the, as far as we can tell, unmatched support and guidance the program provides, our "near the best in the nation" rate of acceptance (particularly to allopathic schools...especially to students first or second choice level of school) and the extensive support we provide for mock interviewing, AAMC application preparation, and "one of the best in the nation" pre health advisory committee processes our students have access to a program that simply transforms their chance of medical school admission. But, as with all transformations, there is a huge personal aspect, student attitude, outlook, work ethic are the major determinants of any program's success...thus the terrific outcomes we have are ultimately due to the terrific students who come. I am sorry that at this time of year we are forced to disappoint many students, but over the time of the MAMS program's existance the number of similar programs nationwide has grown from 13 to over 114...so there are many new, interesting programs to meet student needs...I guess their outcomes will be an open question, but they do seem to attract students.
I appreciate your response and apologize if my poor choice of words and expression was offensive. I am actually really interested in this program and was recently accepted but am stuck in deciding between a few programs because they all look great!
I have already submitted my AMCAS application for this cycle. I have heard mixed things, but will this program be able to help me get into medical school this cycle?
If I were able to meet the 3.5 and 30 mcat requirements, when would Stritch grant the interview...is it possible to get it this cycle or would it be for the next cycle only?
Is it possible to get contact information from any current students or recently graduated MAMS students?
I was recently admitted to the MAMS program and I am in need of a place to stay and in need of a roomie! If anyone knows of someone looking for housing and a roommate, please let me know! Thanks, can't wait to meet everyone!
I am an incoming MAMS student, getting ready for advanced genetics, A&P, biochem, and bioethics.
Can I get away with buying the older edition texts (older by 1 edition) to save funds? Are the changes significant between editions, for example, between:
1. 6th vs 7th edition Biochemistry (Berg) 2. 8th vs. 9th edition Anatomy and Physio by Martini
Hey future MAMS students! I will be graduating from MAMS this May 2013 and need to fill my apartment starting this summer. It'll be a great transition into the school year and the location is impeccable--especially for out purposes. Here is my ad:
I'm looking to sublet this apartment for June, July, and August 2013. Willing to move out as early as May 15th, negotiable. Then you can make your own lease for the school-year if desired.
Campus Towers, LDP Management 1 BR apartment 1 toilet + bath 2 closets (1 is walk-in) Carpeted floors, tiled kitchen Furnishings for sale separately (dining set, pull-out sofa, queen-size bed, coffee tables x3, dresser) Less than a block to Redline Less than a block to beach Backyard is a sports-field with astro-turf and track Closer to Loyola campus than on-campus freshmen dorms
$900 monthly, utilities included (water, heat, AC installed in BR) Pay electric bill independently Elevators + laundry in building No garbage chutes
Perfect for summer school or summer MCAT studying Smooth transition into school-year Perfect location for Loyola campus or Redline Beautiful lake a stone's throw away Room-mate is allowed, so can be $450 per person!
Please contact me at 562-896-3754 for questions or pictures.
Hey everyone, I made a google group for the 2013-2014 class, anyone can join: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/loyola-mams-class-of-2014
I wanted to get into the MAMS program, but I want to start med school the same year I get done with MAMS. I need MAMS to strengthen my application. What time do most people apply to med schools if they are in MAMS. Also, if you are accepted into Loyola's med school, is there a gap year between MAMS and med school also?
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Where do the majority of MAMS student live? In the Rogers Park neighborhood or further out?
Edgewater for proximity to campus, a few in Roger's Park, though it's not the most student friendly, or safest. Some live in Wrigleyville. Given what I know now about the Chicago area, best place to live is a few stops down the Red line at Berwyn or Bryn Mawr stops, in Andersonville. Quiet little residential neighborhood, and not that expensive (newly rehabbed 3 beds for $1550). Although it's entirely up to whether or not you want to commute on the train, or even by car if you had one.
Thank you for your interest in the MA in Medical Sciences Program. The average age of our students is early to mid-twenties. Additionally, we don't have admissions interviews and admissions is based on the materials supplied in the application. Also, graduate student housing is available (click here for details: http://www.luc.edu/reslife/llcs/#grad ). Most students, however, decide to get an off-campus apartment. It is common for students to apply to the MAMS program in their glide year or if they've been unsuccessful in previous med school applications. I hope this information helps, but if you have more questions, don't hesitate to call or email us.
Hello! I am very excited to apply to the the MAMS program. It seems like an excellent opportunity. I had a couple questions though - I have a 30 on my MCAT, but have a 3.3 GPA, with a 3.15 overall science. Is this competitive for the MAMS program? Also, I was curious as to when you receive the peak number of applications?
Hello,
We use a very nuanced approach to evaluating students. We are a very "beyond the numbers" focused program. Certainly your numbers are solid and competitive. These scores are near the program medians over the last five years. Thus I certainly encourage you to apply.
We don't usually have a peak application period, they ramp up quickly after Jan 1st...To help you time when your application is getting "late in the cycle", you should know that by May 15 last year we had completed 80% of our reviews and had made 85% of admission offers. Given our 4+ week review cycle most of the applications that resulted in those admission offers were complete in our office by April 15th. Thus...apply as early as possible to assure a good chance of a seat. Thank you for you interest in our program, I hope we see your complete application soon. Warm regards, Dr. P.
(sorry for the late answer, we just finished up finals week :-) )
If we are reapplying to the MAMS program, do we have to resubmit an application? What exactly is the process and what is the earliest date we can resubmit?
Hi,
Yes to apply a second time to the program you must do a new application. Some of the information from your old application may be available however...please contact the nice folks at gradapp@luc.edu about reactivating old application materials. However, it is definitely a good idea to submit revised personal statement, fresh letters of recommendation etc. since a year has passed. Normal applications open Jan 1st, but with a reapplication you can contact Graduate Enrollment Management now and they can get your application rolling.
Thank you for your interest in the Loyola MAMS program...Dr. P.
Hi,
I understand that the guaranteed interview is with a 3.5 and 30 mcat. I have a 28Q, 3.1 undergrad, 3.8 grad and very good clinical, research and community service activities. My goal is to get in medical school the year following the post bac and I don't plan to take the MCAT again. Should I apply to MAMS as my MCAT is below a 30? What are the statistics (average GPA & MCAT) of students that get accepted into medical schools from MAMS?
Hi,
Currently MAMS students have about an 86% rate over all years of medical school admission following participation in the program. Given that the median MCAT score for students admitted to medical school now is about a 31, a 28 would put you at a disadvantage, but many students in the program with scores in this range have been successful. We haven’t done a demographic study of admits to medical school because our rate has been so high over time…but again a 28 is a score where a solid grad GPA in MAMS and solid Chicago based clinicals during MAMS would be very important, in addition to a well crafted and clear AMCAS application that frankly discusses strengths and weaknesses. We would definitely encourage you to apply to us however, we certainly admit folks with 28s that have strong credentials and we use holistic review criteria. I would note that admission to the program is highly competitive. For the past two years we have only been able to seat one out of ten of our highly qualified applicants. I don’t say this to be discouraging, but to encourage you to get your application into the process as early as possible if you are considering us and think we might be right for you. Thank you for your interest in MAMS. Warm regards, Dr. P.
Dear Pickett,
I'm planning on graduating undergrad this coming May. I have recently decided that a post-bac in medical science is a great choice for me! I have not yet taken an MCAT but am currently studying for it. I am not planning on applying to medical school anytime soon, but am confused on when I should be taking the exam by in order to be able to apply to the MAMS program for 2010. (If it's not possible to apply in 2010, ...2011? ) Thanks for your help.
-Confused.
Hi Dr. Pickett,
I was referred to you by a current MAMS student because I was wondering if the program was strictly for students wanting to only go to medical school. Have you, or would you accept someone wanting to go to dental school? Would you accept a DAT score in that case? Or if the MAMS is not the best program for pre-dents, does Loyola offer any similar post-bac programs? Thanks!
Hi Dr. Pickett,
I'm a Canadian student (4th year undergraduate) with a 3.83 cGPA and 3.83 sGPA. My MCAT is however a 25Q, and I plan to rewrite it in June. I was wondering what my chances are in gaining an admission to this program. I realize my MCAT is sub-par.
Thanks in advance.
Dr. Picket,
It says that the MAMS application requires 3 letters of recommendation. Are applicants allowed to submit more than 3?
Thanks.
Hi “Confused”
We use a currently active MCAT score in our admission decision. So if you are applying for Fall 2010, having an MCAT take this spring is usually fine, although we will already be admitting students. A summer take is fairly late (see my response above about our time to fill the class) but students have been admitted with later MCATs. Dr. P.’s patented and secured advice on the MCAT is “take it when you are ready”…if your diagnostics (which you take in full test, timed mode like a real exam) say “I will be happy with that score, even if I shave a point or two off due to test day nerves”…go for the exam. If your diagnostics say…”I will not be happy with that score” my advice is hit the books more, explore new study approaches etc. I am not a proponent of “take the test anyway, just in case you have a good day”…it usually doesn’t turn out well in my experience.
Hi “Anonymous”
We don’t have a way to support students aiming for Dental School at this time, our advising is focused on the Pre-medical requirements and the Medical School admissions process. We have standardized on the MCAT/AMCAS approach. We do have Post-bac programs at Loyola if you do not have a science major, and our Pre-Health Advisor Office works extensively with Pre-Dent students. But unfortunately in MAMS we do not review students whose primary focus is dentistry.
Hi “CanIndia”
Are you a U.S. citizen or permanent resident? I just want to point you back to our program website to make sure we are still a good choice for you. We have had a fairly good number of foreign residents in the program, but they usually are only able to apply to the small number of U.S. medical schools that take non-resident students, or they return home or to the U.K. for medical school. Your 3.83 is solid, a 25 MCAT is problematical for us but you will be reviewed holistically by our committee. It is possible that we would not be a good choice for you, if really your only issue that you need to find a new approach for preparing for the MCAT...
Hi “Anonymous II”
Applicants can submit more letters, as noted on our main site letters that speak to your academic ability and extensive, patient centered clinical experience are very useful to us. Of course research letters and shadowing letters are also nice, but they tend not to be as illuminating of the traits sought by medical schools.
Thank you all for your questions…I am working on a grant application and ye olde blog is not feeling the love lately, I apologize if I am late to respond. For quickest response please don’t hesitate to send questions to MAMS@luc.edu.
Hi Dr. Pickett,
I am actually a Canadian citizen (not a US citizen nor am a permanent resident). I know my MCAT score of 25Q is pretty low, but will my GPA make up for it?
Hello! I was wondering whether or not we can submit recommendations that were written for medical school or do they have to be specifically for MAMS?
Dr. Pickett,
After all the application material has been completed and received, approximately how long does it take to review and inform the applicant of a decision?
Thanks,
Drew
Hi Canadian Citizen,
The 25 is definitely an issue for us, but we are holistic in our reviewing...it is very difficult for me to be more specific than that...until we get a complete application, can assess clinical etc. any opinion on your candidacy would be speculation on my part. As a Canadian citizen you would not qualify for the interview at Stritch School of Medicine, but we have had folks who have gone back to Canada and been competitive for application to medical school at home. SSOM, along with most U.S. medical schools, will not interview or admit foreign nationals.
Hi Anonymous,
You can definitely submit recommendations that have been written for medical school...those are very valuable to us...clinical letters (not research or simple shadowing) are very valuable to us.
Hi Drew,
Application review is a kind of open ended process, it can take anywhere from 2 to 16 weeks depending on application volume, reviewer availability etc. It is usually faster in spring, things really slow down for us as we approach summer due to volume spikes...so get your application in early.
Thanks for your awesome questions,
Warm regards
Dr. P.
Hi,
I am just confused about something. I am just wondering if for some reason I don't get into medical school, is this program like a regular master program? I mean, can I use this degree to go for a Phd?
I'd like to know the same thing.
I'm waiting to here back after my interviews but have a bad feeling about not getting in. I have a 3.5, 3.2ish Sci GPA and a 27Q. So I'm looking for a grad program to help fix those things. Really, I had a bad patch for a year and did terribly one semester which killed my GPA. Without that happening I'd be a 3.9 for sure. Anyway, I'm looking to take harder, relevant classes and try to get mostly A's. I think that'll demonstrate that I won't fall apart like I briefly did before. I'd also like to have better quality intern/volunteer experiences - do they help you find those? How are we supported in increasing MCAT scores. I know I can get a 30 but didn't have time to study the stuff that I remembered the least - physics, ochem, genchem. I got a 11V,10B, 6P, so I'm write on except for that physical sciences. Also, is there a lot of interview prep? That is my weakest point, simply b/c that interview determines your life. I clam up or ramble aimlessly. Thanks!
Is there any assitanships I can apply to besides tuition scholarship? I would like to know how I can apply for research assitanships and how to receive waiver in tuition.
Hi Folks, Dr. P.’s Answers to recent questions
Hey folks, don’t forget, the wonderful advisors at MAMS@luc.edu (me included) check our e-mail more often than the blog…so don’t be shy about sending us an e-mail question.
Hi Anonymous,
The M.A. MS is a basic science degree, taught at a very rigorous level. The small number of our students who have chosen to apply for Ph.D. programs have been very successful, but remember today most Ph.D. programs in the life sciences are direct admit and do not require a Masters. So students have certainly gone from MAMS to Ph.D. programs, and the M.A. showed valuable progress in terms of science mastery, and at least in one case that I know of counted toward graduate courses, but an M.A. or M.S. is no longer a pre-requisite for most modern Ph.D. programs.
Hi Casey,
We certainly offer tons of advice regarding volunteering, but we are not a program that offers “canned” volunteering…there are just too many opportunities in Chicago and medical school admission’s deans we have interviewed have told us that they have a fairly low opinion of clinical experiences that students don’t need to show self-motivation to get. So Ms. Fell and I love to advise students on where to go, we write tons of recommendation letters to clinic directors, but at the end of the day securing a good clinical experience is your responsibility. It shows your drive to communicate with clinic coordinators and desire to work with patients. We offer a year long workshop series that focuses on all aspects of the application process. Currently a 3.2 BCPM and 27Q is problematic for us, if you are planning another MCAT take please mention that in your application materials, and see my comments above about “when to take the MCAT”. So far the MAMS historical undergrad BCPM average is a 3.35 and MCAT is a 30.8. We currently can only admit about 1 in 10 of our applicants, I don’t say that to be discouraging but just to highlight that our admissions process is highly selective. We are very holistic in our reviewing, so the person with lower “numbers” who has been a clinical volunteering and “person for others” beast has an excellent chance of admission….clinical letters (the charge or floor nurse that has seen you over a year or two of volunteering) are incredibly important to our process. Given your situation I strongly encourage you to apply early, update us in the process, and don’t be discouraged if you don’t hear from us right away.
Hi Kathy,
We are classified as a pre-professional Masters program and so we do not have assistanceships outside of the scholarship opportunity. After you have been admitted you will get a scholarship application, if you complete your application process prior to May 15th you have priority consideration for scholarships, which are primarily need based. We completely understand how challenging meeting the cost of a private, advanced education can be, and are proud of excellent value we provide our students. I really respect the huge sacrifice families and students make to be able to take advantage of an opportunity like MAMS.
Hope that helps folks, have a great day.
Dr. P.
I am really interested in your program, but have unfortunately just came across it today. I know they are rolling applications and I know that the deadline is in July, but if I apply now, am I at a significant disadvantage?
Hi, I was wondering the same things that other students asked. I have a 3.4GPA and a 25Q. However, I have been a certified nursing assistant in a hospital for 4 straight years and am trained in phlebotomy, CPR, first aid, and more on-the-job training that I received. My extracurriculars are numerous and I am involved in clubs and organizations weekly. I also have done research for 2 years in two different fields and even got a publication out of one. What do you think about my chances of acceptance based on the holistic approach that Loyola uses?
Thanks!
Hi Anonymous #1
No! you are right on time, complete your application as soon as possible. We are certainly already admitting students to the class, but are only beginning to fill seats...get your app in asap..:-)
Hi Anonymous #2
Again, it is really hard to handicap applications...and our online application process is free of charge...but obviously with a 25 you will almost certainly need another MCAT retake either before or after MAMS...it is possible that this might not be the best year to apply to SMS like programs...but again we are holistic in our reviews and will weigh all aspects of your application.
Hello,
Quick question...Is the MAMS program integrated with the Stritch SOM. In other words, do MAMS students take classes with SOM students, and do they compete with SOM students? I have heard that programs that do this integration tend to be more favorable to medical schools come application time.
Thanks!
Hi,
The MAMS program connection to SSOM is not curricular, although from year to year we are able to do the occasional course there. Students in the program are graded quantitatively and our courses are not "curved" or "set" to the performance of another cohort...which may or may not be performing strongly. So far admissions dean's have been very receptive to our students, none of the dean's interviewed and offered input into the design of the program suggested housing it in a medical school, because almost to a person they felt that SMS students benefitted most from graduate level foundational science courses. I certainly think there are many wonderful SMS courses and programs out there, housed in a variety of situations, and arguments for and against any approach can be made. So far the Loyola MAMS programs has one of the highest post program matriculation rates in the country, thus despite what you have "heard" from "somebody" medical school deans are highly appreciative of the abilities of students that graduate from our program. Currently we can admit less than 1 in 10 of our qualified applicants, and we have to reject students who are easily admitted into other programs, thus I anticipate that our graduates will continue to enjoy outstanding success in matriculating to medical school. Our program is small, highly diverse and attracts singularly outstanding candidates...and then challenges them with extremely quantitative courses in a supportive environment. Our faculty prehealth advisors offer one on one guidance during the personal statement construction process, for instance, and our students have full access to Loyola's outstanding Pre-Health Advisory Committee process. Our program is about the individual transformations needed to not just get in to medical school but to thrive there, and so we set a high bar and then work closely and collaboaratively with students to help them find their scholar's passion. We might be the right place for you if you are coming for a foundational transformation..rather than just to have your score set against the performance of another group.
Thanks for your question,
Dr. P.
Dr. Pickett,
I had submitted my application about two months ago, and when I didn't hear anything in the 4-6 week range, I called the MAMS office. They said that my application was set to be reviewed a second time. Is this customary? I was wondering what this means in terms of chances?
Thank you!
-RAP
Hi Dr. Pickett,
What are the chances for out of state students? How many apply per year and how many are usually accepted? Do most of the students that attend the MAMS program stay in Chicago to go to SMS or go abroad as well? I am from Texas and am very interested in this program.
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I was wondering how many students you expect to be in the program this year (2010-2011)? I have also heard that you strongly encourage a "lag" year before applying to medical school. Is it possible to apply concurrently (this summer) while doing the MAMS program?
Hi Folks,
Sorry, between Finals and my work with Loyola’s Pre-Health Advisory Committee the Blog has not been getting the love lately, I apologize for the late update.
Re. time to review.
On average an application can take anywhere from 4 to 16 weeks. Applications routinely are reviewed multiple times. Our review process is comprehensive, involves fit to the program and fit to Stritch School of Medicine etc. Students whose numbers are below the mean of the program (30.8 MCAT, BCPM 3.3) tend to hear later as we are trying to form the most comprehensive opinion as to where they will sit in the program. I am sorry I can’t be definitive on time to review, it is a very organic process.
Re. Out of staters….
Out of state students have an excellent chance of admission. Although originally envisioned as a regional program, our success has grown (and our class sizes have stayed at 50-55 students) as we have drawn students from across the nation and internationally. Our main feeder states are New York, California, Florida, Michigan, Massachusetts, Washington State, Virginia, Ohio, and Illinois. We even have a fair number of Hawaiians…aloha and welcome …but buy a good winter coat.. Out of state students have an outstanding record of admission to our program.
Re. Number of students
We admit up to 55 students and are usually right at that number. Although we have had many requests to expand the size of our program, our system depends on one on one mentoring with our Pre-Health Advisors, and so to maintain the quality of our program we keep it very small. Lag year applications are possible, we support them via mock interviews etc. But we can not provide a committee letter. All letters for “year of the program” applicants are administered and provided by your undergrad institution. We will certainly help in everyway we can however, and students have been fairly successful over time with this approach. We strongly encourage you to wait, and do the “lag year” application, because the success rate, particularly to first choice schools is so high. However we understand students are under various pressures, we want you to make the decision that is best for you.
Hi Folks...oops error in the previous post...Corrected version below...
Although we have had many requests to expand the size of our program, our system depends on one on one mentoring with our Pre-Health Advisors, and so to maintain the quality of our program we keep it very small. YEAR OF THE PROGRAM applications are possible, we support them via mock interviews etc.
Hi,
I am a 3rd year undergrad student hoping to get into this program after my senior year. I was wondering are participation in clubs and leadership positions taken into account during the application review? My GPA as of right now isn't exactly where I hoped it would be so I'm just curious as to how much that would help.
Thanks!
Hello,
I am very interested in MAMS, but want to make sure that I match up to your program. I have a B.A. in Psyc with a BCPM GPA of 3.44 and cumGPA of 3.78. In addition I did a Post-bac at UC Riverside with BCPM GPA of 3.8 and cumGPA 3.7. I would be a re-applicant to med school as well.
However, my obstacle is the MCAT which is below of 25, a 22. I feel that I would benefit with an opportunity to build a stronger science background.
I have 4 years of research, 4 years of community clinic setting, 1 year as a Medical scribe in the ER and numerous years of leadership of several organization.
Please provide some insight into my situation, as I am eager to know if can qualify for this program.
Thank you for your time!
I don't understand why I got a rejection letter, after all I think that the admission committee are supposed to review holistically the entire application, not only the MCAT score on the first application page and blindly send out a rejection letter without considering all other factors, right? Sadly I don't think that is the case here. Even though my MCAT score is 24, I think my 3.7 cum GPA and other extracurricular activities as well as research experiences should make up for it. I was a Loyola undergraduate and submitted my application way back in April, too. Still, I didn't think the admission people care to look at my other documents, except for the MCAT score and checking it against the 25 threshold value to send out a rejection letter. So disappointed, I thought this kind of program was intended for people who didn't do really well on the MCAT and really need to seek for a second chance to increase their biomedical sciences backgrounds for more competitive medical school application credentials. Chances are that people who scored high on the MCAT and were accepted into this program may have submitted and been accepted to med schools elsewhere. If they are accepted and not gonna enroll. Then it is unfair for people like us!
Hi Folks,
Answers for the recent Anonymous posters
Re. Anonymous 1.
We definitely look at extensive clinical volunteering, a clinical volunteering letter of recommendation, and leadership/community service as important aspects of any application. As long as your GPA meets our minimums you will be reviewed. Currently we are one of the most competitive SMS/MAMS like programs in the U.S. for admission, with an applicant pool that has been growing at a swift pace each year. Thus balancing a lower GPA with an MCAT that exceeds our program average (currently right at a 31) and a strong upward trend in highly quantitative science courses would help us understand your current situation. For many students taking a year or two prior to applying for MAMS and taking a few challenging courses (Genetics/Chemistry/Calculus 1 and 2) and getting As in them would be really useful if you are getting B and C level grades in some classes even in Junior/Senior year. We anticipate that an academic transformation “in progress” can be completed with us…but we want to see evidence that transformation is underway before we will admit a student.
Re. Anonymous 2. We would likely help with your science preparation, depending on the courses you have had, although with a 22 MCAT we could not review your application. As a re-applicant to medical school, given the scores you’ve outlined, I do want to encourage you to speak at length with your pre-health advisors at your undergrad/grad schools about the strength of your candidacy. Unfortunately we don’t have the resources to offer pre-health advising to non-Loyola students, but I really encourage you to seek out the advisors that are available to you as you strategize about the path ahead.
Re. Anonymous 3. I am sorry you are disappointed, we have to apply our minimum standards for review to all applicants to ensure our review process is fair. I know it isn’t very comforting, but our review process reviews between 500 and 800 qualified applicants each year, to expand our process to include all possible applicants would simply not be possible. As you plan your future path toward medical school please talk to the wonderful folks in Loyola’s Pre-Health Professions Office, they are an outstanding sounding board about timing and targeting applications to SMS/MAMS programs.
Dr. Pickett,
I was wondering, in the review process, I have heard that applicants are separated into Tiers (1, 2, 3 etc). Is it possible to know which tier we are placed in?
Thanks a lot!
Hi,
The technical details of our process are confidential. Students who are not close to our program means (A 3.35 BCPM and 31 MCAT) can expect to hear as late as August about an admission from us. I am sorry I can't be definitive, our process is organic and holistic (as I have said elsewhere in our blog...it is chock full of useful information) and building the class occurs throughout the summer. Students that already have admissions to programs that are compelling to them should not assume that a late admission is coming from our program. There are many decent programs nationally that adequately serve the SMS/MAMS population, I know we are many student's first choice program, but please be aware that we are very small and our admission process is highly competitive. Thank you for your question.
Hi Dr. Pickett,
I don't know if this is a question you can answer here, but...
I was wondering if there were still spots available for the 2010-2011 academic year.
I recently found out about this program (unfortunately) and only just submitted an application.
Hi Most Recent Anon. :-)
Our review process is ongoing, it is by no means too late. I encourage you to (gently, patiently, kindly!!) goose along your recommenders, as often the "rec letters" are where a hitch lies with us getting a complete ap. We especially (i.e. ESPECIALLY) value clinical letters from folks that have worked closely with you...we love to hear from the tech or charge nurse who knows you well. Thank you for your question, as a general note "Folks...apply!" :-)
Warm regards
Dr. P.
Hi Dr Pickett,
How early can a student apply to the MAMS program if I were to apply for the 2011-2012 year? When in the fall does your program start accepting applications? I am having trouble finding it on the loyola website.
Thank you!
Hi Dr. Pickett,
I was accepted to your program and have planned to attend. From the department website, it looks as if you're located on the Lake Shore campus, so I just want to make sure that that is where all classes will be held. This will help me figure out where to live. I'm currently thinking of living on campus since I'm coming from another state, but it appears that the only graduate housing is at the Water Tower campus. Could you provide an estimate of how long it'll take to get from one campus to the other?
Thanks!
Hi Folks, thank you for your recent questions….
Students can apply as early as Jan 1st, but Gradapp@luc.edu will also begin to accumulate letters of recommendation, MCAT scores, AMCAS applications and personal statements prior to that point…but our online app opens on Jan 1st…this is discussed briefly in an FAQ on the program website, but it is a bit buried…we are doing a redesign and will move it
The program location is on the LakeShore campus (LSC is 6500 N. Sheridan), there are tons of nice apartments in Rogers Park (a brand new, security building called The Morgan opened right across the street from us) which would be a lot cheaper, more convenient and most importantly far away from the distractions and temptations of the Loop and Michigan Ave..yes I am a fuddy duddy. However each year we do have one or two students that ends up living downtown. The only graduate housing at this point is downtown on the Water Tower campus. It is a 40 minute subway ride and about a 25-40 minute University Shuttle ride…shuttles are frequently scheduled but students usually need to leave water tower on the shuttle departing an hour before class to be assured getting to class on time. Shuttle delays are not an excuse for being late to an exam etc…so the WTC folks have very early starts to their days. The shuttle also runs from 7a.m. until about midnight, but there is not Saturday or Sunday service which has in the past been a bit of a hindrance in terms of weekend study groups etc. In general we have noted that students who live far off campus tend to benefit less from group study, review sessions etc…so please consider this as you are making plans. Rogers Park is a relatively safe neighborhood, and the LSC campus crime rates are relatively low, by big American city standards.
Thank you again for the questions.
Hello! I'm interested in applying Fall 2011. I was unaware that BCPM gpa was needed by the MAMS program. Is there a cut off requirement for BCPM gpas? My BCPM is unfortunately below a 3.0, and I'm worried that this will cause my application to not be reviewed. I know there is an overall undergraduate GPA of 3.0. Will Loyola calculate the BCPM, or is there a place in the application for me to fill in? (Looking at the paper application, I failed to find a spot for me to do so). Do we need to included all grades in repeated courses? What about transfer courses that were taken someone other than our degree-granting institution? Thank you!
Hi Folks,
Re "the BCPM"...The technical aspects of our review process are confidential, but we consider all aspects of an applicant's academic history...just like medical schools do. We perform all statistical analyses in house...applicants do not need to provide any calculations etc. Applying to a special masters program like MAMS is highly similar to applying to medical schools, at MAMS we do a wide variety of analyses as part of our holistic review of candidates, this is one reason our comprehensive reviews take time.
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What is the tuition and fee payment schedule for the MAMS program? Is it semester based or upfront?
Note regarding financial aid...
Hi Brian,
I know the Bursar's office has a few different approaches to student tuition payment, but I am not well versed...so you should talk with them regarding specifics in your situation. I know some of this is discussed at the Bursar's website regarding iPlan
http://www.luc.edu/bursar/iPlan.shtml
Also for general financial aid issues, loan advice etc our awesome financial assistance folks are at
http://www.luc.edu/finaid/
Hope this helps, sorry I am not a bursars office guru, but the info above should get you started.
Regards,
Dr. P.
Are many MAMS students successful in gaining admission to medical school in the fall immediately after completing the MAMS degree ? .....or do most apply for the follow year's cycle? If the following year, what type of experiences do MAMS graduates pursue during that interim year?
Are many MAMS students successful in gaining admission to medical school in the fall immediately after completing the MAMS degree ? .....or do most apply for the follow year's cycle? If the following year, what type of experiences do MAMS graduates pursue during that interim year?
Is overnight parking available anywhere on campus/on local roads? I am looking at local apartments and the going rate is $100+/mo for parking.
Thanks again.
Hello Dr. P,
I was wondering whether or not it mattered if my letter of recommendation writers put their letter on a letterhead. I know one of them submitted it to my interfolio account and said he just signed it, but did not have an electronic letterhead, so he couldn't include it. Thank you.
Hello Dr P.,
I am interested in applying to the MAMS program because of its reputation and the courses offered. I am a Canadian currently applying to American Osteopathic schools however if I am not admitted next fall I would like to apply to this program to increase my GPA and prove I am capable of handling the rigors of M1.
I was wondering if a 3.1 GPA and a 30 MCAT are considered competitive? I have a fair share of extracurricular and medical experience. This would be assuming that I apply at the beginning of applications in January.
Also, how many Canadians have been accepted into this program historically?
Thank you
Hi Dr. Pickett,
I am very interested in this program, but have not yet taken any math classes in undergrad and I'm going to graduate spring of 2011. What are the specifics regarding math requirements to qualify to apply for this program?
Thank you,
Mary
Hi Folks, Dr. P. here, sorry about the blog hiatus.
Hi Canadian Applicant, we are happy to accept overseas and foreign applicants...with the understanding that there are very few U.S. allopathic medical schools that will accept them for admission. Loyola Stritch does not accept foreign students. That being said, our foreign applicants have been extremely successful returning home to medical school and at applying to medical schools in Europe, Australia, Canada and the Middle East. Given your scores you certainly meet our minimal cut offs, but without seeing your whole application I really can't "handicap" your chances of admission.
Hi Mary,
College Math through the completion of Calculus is vastly preferred by us, although one semester of Calc and one of stats is also good. More and more U.S. medical schools are anticipating that students have completed calc...even if their official minimal standards don't say so...but if you have AP credit that works.
Take care
Dr. P.
Thank you Dr. Pickett,
Does any statistics course count? I took "Health Care Statistics" in undergrad, but the course title does not fall under the Math major, it falls under Community Health. Can that still count?
-Mary
Hi,
I have read on sdn.net and MDapplicants.com that a few students with sub-3.0 GPAs have been accepted into your program in the past yet the website clearly states that a person as such will not be considered for Loyola MAMS admission. I even have a friend that was admitted into your program with a sub-3.0 GPA. You had a previous blog response explaining that the application file gets triaged away from reviewers so they wouldn't be able to consider these applicants yet they made it into the program. Were they admitted because they presented to be a great candidate for your program minus the floundering of their undergraduate GPA and if so, how did you receive application for review?
What is the point of this program if they are so demanding in terms of GPA and MCAT scores? I think if one has a 3.4GPA or higher and 25 or above in their MCAT, they don't need to matriculate into this program. It will be a waist of money and time. You might as well just apply to med school.
Hi Folks, sorry about the Christmas break from blogging…
Re. Anonymous 1…We calculate our GPAs from all transcripts (grad, undergrad etc.) and use the AAMC GPA calculation guidelines…often students doing self calculations are not sure of these guidelines. All students in the program must meet the GPA and MCAT minimums we have established on the website, a 25 MCAT and a 3.0 GPA. The mean values over the last few years for students admitted and matriculated to the MAMS program included above a 3.2 GPA and a 31 MCAT..given our very strong applicant pool. Thus students presenting applications with scores close to our minimum cut offs are frankly not strongly competitive for admission….however we are holistic in our reviewing and strongly value outstanding and transformative volunteer, clinical and research experiences.
Re Anonymous 2….I appreciate your interesting “what’s the point question” although I am a bit confused by your “3.4 GPA/25 MCAT statement”. A student with this MCAT score is ~4X more likely to be rejected from medical school than accepted (2010-2011 MSAR) and a student with this GPA is ~2X more likely to be rejected than accepted. A student presenting both values would have a very small likelihood of admission to an allopathic, U.S. medical school. “The point” of our program is that we provide an outstanding opportunity for students to gain broad chemistry, ethics and biology knowledge, demonstrate their ability to excel in complex and challenging graduate coursework, and receive outstanding advising and application assistance. When our students report back to us that they are the president of their M1 class, honoring in their courses, the #1 academic rank student in their class, or have scored a 255 on their MLE1 “the point” of our program is revealed. We help students build the outstanding intellectual, study/learning skills and ethics toolboxes that help them to not just enter medical school, but to excel when they get there. We offer the opportunity for personal and intellectual transformation to occur…in the best tradition of Jesuit and Catholic education.
Thank you both for your notes, also as a reminder, please don’t hesitate to contact us at mams@luc.edu, so that we can assist you directly. Please accept my warm wishes for a Happy New Year :-)
Hello,
I'm very interested in Loyola's MAMS program, but I'm trying to decide if I should apply based on my statistics. I have a 3.12 overall GPA, a 3.04 science GPA and a 31 on my MCAT. I'm not sure if my GPAs are competitive enough for the program, but I'm looking for a way to improve my academic credentials.
Thanks for the help!
-AM
Hi AM (Anon)
Your numeric scores meet our minimums and your MCAT is very solid...plus as I have noted elsewhere on the blog, we are very holistic in our review process. Our online application is free and the process is simple and straightforward, so I strongly encourage you to apply.
Warm regards
Dr. P.
(A quick note...if sharing MCAT scores and GPAs etc I would stongly encourage you to e-mail us at mams@luc.edu...I don't want your personal information to be compromised)
Hello Dr. P,
I hope you still respond to this thread. I am curious how much of a disadvantage I'll be put at that I'm taking the MCAT in March and applying immediately after I receive my scores. I have heard rumors, but was hoping for an honest answer about the likelihood that it would affect my chances. Thank you very much.
-Aaron
Hi,
We will certainly be well into our admissions process, but that doesn't mean that a well qualified student won't find a seat in our class. The one thing I kind of keep as gospel is "take the MCAT when your diagnostics say you are ready"...I don't believe in calendar or deadline driven takes...send an e-mail to MAMS@luc.edu when you complete your exam if your application is in progress...it might get tagged as incomplete if you don't alert us to expect the MCAT.
Regards,
Dr. P.
After you recieve all the completed materials from the Grad admissions, how long does it normally take to make a decision on an application, and in what form(email, phone, postmail) are applicants notified?
Hi,
Our time to review is very variable and depends in large part on application volume. We have noticed that our application volume is starting to have both an early surge and a late surge. Thus although some students hear earlier, it does take us anywhere from 4 to 16+ weeks after application completion to notify candidates. I have noted that students tend to misunderstand this, and begin counting from the day they submit their initial application. Remember we do not begin our review until all materials are present in our file. The nice folks at Gradapp@luc.edu can let you know your file status.
Not hearing from us means you are under active and serious consideration, we routinely have to deny admission and we do this throughout our process. I know it can be trying to an anxious applicant to perhaps have to wait until mid summer to hear from us, but we continue to hit record numbers of applications each year and so there are inevitable stresses.
As an aside, as you are thinking about why we might be taking longer to understand all nuances of your application, please understand that in recent years our incoming classes have had 3.2 + average science and overall GPAs and MCAT scores between 31 and 32. If your scores are below this range keep updating us on clinical volunteering, "persons for others" work in your community and your academic performance. If you get a note from us seeking more information...please send an update. We are really interested in you but want to know more.
We have a very holistic review style, but this takes time. The wonderful classes we build each year are a result in part from taking the time to carefully pick each person who will contribute their own special path, experiences, personality, passions and skills to the class as a whole. So, please understand I am very empathetic to applicants, and I apologize for long waits, but they are a part of building a strong class of only 55 members. We are not the "fill lots of seats" program, we are the "find wonderful people, with heart and drive" program. I hope this helps, and thanks a lot for your question.
Hello,
I was wondering what is the total cost of MAMS program and is there any additional fees for out-of- states students? How much loans do most students take?
I am also scheduled to take the MCAT at the end of April and my results will be available in early June. Should I apply to MAMS before June and then send in my current MCAT when it is available?
Hi Dr. Pickett- what is the day-to-day schedule of a student in the MAMS program? Are classes mainly 9-5 each day? Thanks!
Hi Dr. Pickett- Can I use the same statement of purpose that I wrote for my 2011 Medical School application cycle? Thanks.
Hello everyone! Is anyone planning on enrolling in the MAMS program? I'm starting to look for some housing options in the area. I think it would be nice to room with someone else thats in the program. Is anyone interested?
does Loyola give special consideration for students who do well in this program?
Yikes, Hi Folks, sorry about the lack of blog love...final projects for my undergrads...and final finals for my students sucked my time into the vortex...so...many questions to answer..here goes.
Re. Feb 23 Anon:
The tuition cost of the program for 2011/2012 is $35,520.00 for the full 24 hour program. There are up to three full tuition scholarships which students registered in the program are eligible to be considered for…fill out the scholarship application as fully and completely as possible. Scholarship awards are made to admitted and registered students by the first week of April. Often some of the full tuition scholarships are divided into smaller awards, so some partial scholarships are also awarded. The majority of students in the program do use student loans to finance their costs of attendance. Our financial aid office could give you a better idea of total cost of attendance, the amount of loans students take out varies quite a bit. Costs can be managed with room-mates, eating at home, working over winter break etc types of approaches. So since the “need” varies widely I have a hard time putting a firm number on total loan amounts folks take out.
I would apply at your earliest convenience, but send a note to gradapp@luc.edu that your MCAT score will not be available until June. Your application will “become complete” in June (assuming all your other materials are in) and will be reviewed at that time.
Re. Feb 24 Anon:
Hi, Classes are usually scheduled in “blocks” but they are M,T, W, Th, F and are usually two classes MWF and two classes TTh. We try to either have a morning block between 9 and noon or an afternoon early evening block between 1:30 and 7 p.m….this gives plenty of space in the schedule for clinical volunteering opportunities…which usually ask for an 8 to noon or 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. shift. Each year we will usually have one evening class, again to provide maximum openings for really deep volunteering experiences.
Re. March 10 Anon: Yes, you can definitely use the same personal statement, but we also ask for a statement of purpose on why you want to do our program, how you plan to use your year with us to strengthen your application with clinical volunteering, your history of applications to medical school and whether or not you have any institutional actions, misdemeanor or felony convictions etc.
Re. May 2 Anon: As outlined on our comprehensive website, Stritch School of Medicine extends a guaranteed interview to anyone who has a 3.0 undergrad GPA, 3.5 MAMS GPA and a 30 or better score on their most recent MCAT. We have a great relationship with Stritch, but remember, they are looking for well rounded folks with a “service for others” focus. If you would like to strengthen your application for SSOM strong clinical experience (beyond shadowing), decent grades and MCAT, and a social service (NGO, community kitchen, church/civic charity (Salvation Army, Catholic Charities, Red Cross, Food Pantry etc.) history is very useful. Take a look at their website and admissions requirements. A great future student for them is a great current student for us.
Hope that is helpful, have a terrific spring!!!! and if you are graduating...congratulations!!! :-)
Warm regards
Dr. P.
Hey Sam!
I am most likely going to be attending the MAMS program this year and I'm interested in finding a roommate. email me at mshah22@gmail.com and we can possibly set something up....looking forward to hearing from you!
hi dr pickett,
i was wondering what percentage of the guaranteed interviews actually end up getting in to SSOM. also, is there a list of the md schools that recent MAMS grads have gotten into?
So there's now a google group for Loyola MAMS students admitted for 2011-2012. Feel free to join and start posting!
http://groups.google.com/group/loyola-mams-2011-2012
Hi Dr. Pickett,
I was wondering how I can update you all at the MAMS program about what I've been up to lately. Thank you!
Hello!
My name is Sarah and I'll be starting the MAMS program at Loyola this fall. I'm looking for 2 roommates, preferably female, to live with me in a nice 3 bedroom apartment near Peterson and Western. It's a little over 2 miles from campus and my Uncle owns the building so he'll be giving us a great deal.
Let me know if you are interested!
Do you have to take the MCAT to get into this program or will you accept the GRE and if so what is the minimum score required?
Hi Folks,
Quick reply, sorry over summer we are in the thick of assisting last years class with secondaries, writing Pre-Health Advisory Committee Letters and filling next years class...thus I apologize for the delay.
You must have an active MCAT score, i.e. no more than three years old, to have a complete application to medical school. We can not accept the GRE as a stand in. Like medical schools we are very, very concerned about any subscore that is an 8 or less...however we are quite holistic in our reviewing and so I encourage all applicants who meet our program minimums to apply.
From many of the questions I have received by e-mail there is a particular concern about the Verbal Reasoning section of the exam. This area of the MCAT tries to assess both your vocabulary and your ability to perform Natural Language Processing...very low scores may mean that you speak English as a second language, have not focused on language development or have a biological problem regarding language processing. Students with special concerns in this area might consult a speech and language pathologist or psychologist to have their language skills professionally evaluated. In this era of higher rates of almost every form of biological debility associated with the brain, if you suspect you have a problem in this area get real help early in the process. Secondarily, medical schools will understand special circumstances, as do we, so let folks know in application materials if you are a new English speaker or have a special challenge you face.
Take care
Dr. P.
Dear Dr. P,77
I am thinking about applying to the MAMS program for Fall 2012. My Current Stats are undergrad GPA 3.72, science GPA 3.70, and MCAT of 16R. I know my MCAT is very low; therefore I am planning to retake it in Late January. I have three questions form you. If I take the Jan 2012 exam, the scores won't be out until March 1, which seems to be late for the application cycle? Can I submit my application before my new scores are out and then send my scores once they become available. Also If I were to submit my application with the current stats, what are my chances of enrolling in the class for Fall 2012. I also wanted to know more about the tuition scholarships reserved for 3 MAMS students. To be a potential candidate for the scholarship, what is a good time line of the Year to apply in? What criteria is used for scholarship( 1st come 1st serve basis or merit)? Are they reserved for Chicago residents only or for the entire U.S. residents?
Thank you,
Anonymous Texan
I am very interested in your program and want to apply. I have a 3.55 GPA but unfortuntaly I didn't prepare very much the first time I took my MCAT and only got a 25. I also have significant clinical, volunteer, and research experience. I am retaking the MCAT in mid April and hope to do better. I know my score isn't very competitive now but I also realize that it is important to apply early. Should I apply now with my less competitive score or should I wait until my new scores have come in? Thanks!
Hi!
I am planning on submitting my applications now but taking the MCAT in late April (getting the results in June) so my application will be complete in the early summer. I understand you said earlier that the full tuition scholarships are only given to admitted students, so what would happen in my case in terms of ways to fund my education (if I am accepted).
Also, since you said that the application will only be reviewed once it is completed, is there a point to submitting most of it now and notifying the school that I'm going to take the MCAT in a few months (and sending in my score later)?
Thanks for your time!
Hi,
Quick Question about the application.If we have never applied to medical school before do we have to submit an exanded resume online and mail a general resume to the Grad office?
Thanks for your help!
Hey guys! My name is Teresa and I have been accepted to the MAMS program starting this fall, so I am looking to jump start in finding a roommate and getting started on apartment hunting! If you are interested email me at traya@alumni.nd.edu. Thanks :)
Hello, i curious, what is the benefit of having a MMS degree? Is it for people who want go into Medicine? Why not go directly to medical school? What are the benefits of having this degree outside medicine?
Thank you for your time
Hi guys, I didn't see a facebook Loyola MAMS 2012-2013 group so I created one if anyone wants to join.
Hi Nellie,
We just created a MAMS Program Facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/MAmedicalsciences, so please "Like" it and spread the word! It should also come up if you search "Loyola MAMS". We'll use this page to post important deadlines, reminders, and any information that might be useful for students. Thanks for setting up the 2012-13 group!
-Lizette, MAMS Graduate Intern
Hi!
Is there a 2012-2013 blog that I don't know about?
Contact me if you're looking for a male roommate! I'm looking to sign the lease between June 25th and 27th when I visit. My background and contact is on www.wix.com/stephenmurata/washu
Hi all,
I had some questions about the program there doesn't seem to be much info online other than the program website.
1. Why is this a Masters of Arts instead of MS and how do med schools interpret this/is this a disadvantage when applying?
2. Can any students in the program expand on benefits of the program in terms of matriculation into medical school?
3. Are there a high number of students who get into medical schools other than Loyola? I know there is a big list of accepting medical schools but those probably only had 1 student going
Hi Anon,
I am a big believer in free speech on blogs and don't usually respond to "trolly" speech. However, your assumption that the outcomes page on the website indicates single admits is incorrect. What is the truth? The schools listed vary in terms of the number of MAMS students that they have taken. Many schools have a preference for the residents of the state they are located in, and schools have very different requirements. To help clarify, each year we have multiple admits to most Illinois schools except SIU (our students tend to be urban) Northwestern and the University of Chicago. We have excellent success with both private and public allopathic schools, and unlike most programs we publish our success rate. Each year some of our students do opt for osteopathic shool, and either 0 or 1 will go off shore. Given the, as far as we can tell, unmatched support and guidance the program provides, our "near the best in the nation" rate of acceptance (particularly to allopathic schools...especially to students first or second choice level of school) and the extensive support we provide for mock interviewing, AAMC application preparation, and "one of the best in the nation" pre health advisory committee processes our students have access to a program that simply transforms their chance of medical school admission. But, as with all transformations, there is a huge personal aspect, student attitude, outlook, work ethic are the major determinants of any program's success...thus the terrific outcomes we have are ultimately due to the terrific students who come. I am sorry that at this time of year we are forced to disappoint many students, but over the time of the MAMS program's existance the number of similar programs nationwide has grown from 13 to over 114...so there are many new, interesting programs to meet student needs...I guess their outcomes will be an open question, but they do seem to attract students.
Thanks for your comment.
Program Staff,
I appreciate your response and apologize if my poor choice of words and expression was offensive. I am actually really interested in this program and was recently accepted but am stuck in deciding between a few programs because they all look great!
I have already submitted my AMCAS application for this cycle. I have heard mixed things, but will this program be able to help me get into medical school this cycle?
If I were able to meet the 3.5 and 30 mcat requirements, when would Stritch grant the interview...is it possible to get it this cycle or would it be for the next cycle only?
Is it possible to get contact information from any current students or recently graduated MAMS students?
Thanks so much
Hi, I was recently accepted, and I can't seem to find the 2012-2013 facebook group...could someone link me please? Thank you!
Hello,
Just created a 2012-2013 fb group.
Here is the link!: https://www.facebook.com/groups/326944847396774/
Thanks for the FB link!
For those still looking for housing or a roommate, please fill out this google doc
Sorry I forgot to attach it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiyfrfJ4ifNIdHlhbC1JQ1V4ZmZlQ3ZManNrUjZSZkE#gid=0
Hi,
I was recently admitted to the MAMS program and I am in need of a place to stay and in need of a roomie! If anyone knows of someone looking for housing and a roommate, please let me know! Thanks, can't wait to meet everyone!
Katie Brennan
katiebrnnn288@gmail.com
Hi!
I am an incoming MAMS student, getting ready for advanced genetics, A&P, biochem, and bioethics.
Can I get away with buying the older edition texts (older by 1 edition) to save funds? Are the changes significant between editions, for example, between:
1. 6th vs 7th edition Biochemistry (Berg)
2. 8th vs. 9th edition Anatomy and Physio by Martini
Thank you!
Hey future MAMS students! I will be graduating from MAMS this May 2013 and need to fill my apartment starting this summer. It'll be a great transition into the school year and the location is impeccable--especially for out purposes. Here is my ad:
I'm looking to sublet this apartment for June, July, and August 2013. Willing to move out as early as May 15th, negotiable. Then you can make your own lease for the school-year if desired.
Campus Towers, LDP Management
1 BR apartment
1 toilet + bath
2 closets (1 is walk-in)
Carpeted floors, tiled kitchen
Furnishings for sale separately (dining set, pull-out sofa, queen-size bed, coffee tables x3, dresser)
Less than a block to Redline
Less than a block to beach
Backyard is a sports-field with astro-turf and track
Closer to Loyola campus than on-campus freshmen dorms
$900 monthly, utilities included (water, heat, AC installed in BR)
Pay electric bill independently
Elevators + laundry in building
No garbage chutes
Perfect for summer school or summer MCAT studying
Smooth transition into school-year
Perfect location for Loyola campus or Redline
Beautiful lake a stone's throw away
Room-mate is allowed, so can be $450 per person!
Please contact me at 562-896-3754 for questions or pictures.
Hey everyone, I made a google group for the 2013-2014 class, anyone can join:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/loyola-mams-class-of-2014
Is there a facebook group?
I wanted to get into the MAMS program, but I want to start med school the same year I get done with MAMS. I need MAMS to strengthen my application. What time do most people apply to med schools if they are in MAMS. Also, if you are accepted into Loyola's med school, is there a gap year between MAMS and med school also?
Can the MAMS program be taken part-time, over two years?
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